"The problem here is a totalitarian uniformity, a cult-like mentality such that even allies are enemies if they fail to follow the Exact Party Line. " - Phyllis Chesler

Monday, June 7, 2010

There Sadly Will Always Be Braindead Moronic Jews. Here's One Who Blogs.

A mutual blog friend sent me to this link where I found this horrid hit piece on Israel and the Armada of Hate. And even though I left a comment there, the blog writer decided to come to MY BLOG to reply rather than letting her readers see the debate where it was started and belongs. She's clearly challenged in the brain cell department. Her rationalizing of things to make them fit what she would like them to be rather than what is and what is proper is just pathetic. I'm going to list her comments to me here below her story and our few replies via email because that is the only place she'd let them live.

She's so pathetic that she claims that the Israeli's falsified the video but not the TERRORISTS with embedded media on their boat nor the Turks. She's a self-hating Jew. And it's so pathetically sad. She's what is known as a KAPO. Kapos were Jews that turned in other Jews to the NAZI's and sent them to their deaths in order to save their own lives. They were killed in the end.  You see to people this moron aligns with, there's no good Jew but a dead one.

Here's her post. You can go to her site to see the one comment she allowed. below is her email to me where she tried to post on a post on my site which is irrelevant, and would confuse readers for obvious reasons and my response to her and hers back etc. Please do comment here on the blog about this and go to hers and try to get your comments up as well.

SUNDAY, JUNE 06, 2010
Israel: WTF?
I know I come across as only being interested in the inconsequential, but I've actually been spending all my spare time following the flotilla crisis. No kids, no vomit, no mice - just 40 years of poor domestic policy on the part of the Israelis and at least a decade of lousy foreign policy on our part, all coming home to roost in a situation where a good ally of ours (Turkey) is rightly furious, another ally of ours (Israel) is manipulating evidence, and the White House is dithering. Oh, and nine people are dead. And journalists' photos and tapes are confiscated.

[That link up there, and the articles and blogs it links to, are really informative. Much better than this stuff I'm spouting here...]

My generation of American Jews was brainwashed to believe that criticism of Israeli policies is de facto anti-Semitic. Any Jew who dared question Israeli conduct in the West Bank, or Gaza, or anywhere else in the world was labeled "self-hating." It was an effective way to silence dissent.

But what we need to realize is that any actions that desecrate the sacred memory of our slaughtered Jewish ancestors are what is really anti-Semitic. And the Israeli actions against oppressed populations? Definitely fall into that category.

The reflexive defense of Israel by American Jews (on the Right and the Left) is examined by Glenn Greenwald here, who is right on the mark. The Jews of my generation were inculcated from a young age with warnings of Israel's vulnerability. I remember my 5th-grade teacher saying, "The Palestinians? They are terrorists. All of them. The women, the children - they are all terrorists."

It's hard to blame her - she and the other teachers were traumatized survivors of the Holocaust, witnesses to the War for Independence (1948) and the 6-Day War (1967).... in their minds, Israel was still the threatened new nation in which so many Holocaust survivors had found refuge. But our parents' reality is not ours. For most of our lifetimes, Israel has been an occupying force in the Palestinian territories (its presence in the West Bank I have already discussed here); it fields a formidable, well-equipped army and even has nuclear weapons (shh, it's a secret). To continue to claim that it is vulnerable to a few Katyusha rockets is ridiculous. To believe that they must invade a neighboring country with overwhelming force in order to secure its borders is absurd. Does Turkey invade Kurdish Iraq, slaughtering over a thousand people and destroying a large portion of the civil infrastructure, when terrorists sneak over its borders?

Really, what do such actions do but produce even more instability in an already unstable situation? Israel says it is fighting terrorism - but it is actually producing more terrorists.

It behooves American Jews to speak up on this topic. Israel is not always right. Israel is faced with a marginalized, oppressed Palestinian population that is the result of 40 years of poor policy choices on the part of the Israeli government. No amount of military might will make that go away. It's time for Israel to admit its mistakes and find a new way forward, a way of cooperation and peace. It is a strong enough nation to do so now. It just doesn't seem to realize that.

[Addendum: Check out these eyewitness accounts, if you are still buying the sanitized video put out by the Israeli government. I really think that official video is what bothers me the most. It is a deliberately constructed lie.]

PLEASE see my comment on her blog. The below is her response to a post here on my blog which really belonged on her blog. But you know how these moron progressives are:

Hi! If you are interested in direct replies to your comments on other blogs, you might want to enable public access to your email address (check the box on your Blogger profile page). In the meantime, I will answer you here!

Thanks for commenting on my blog post. I think we can both agree on this fact: many people who are complaining about Israel's actions do so because (ultimately) they are anti-Semitic. I totally get that. All I am saying is that there are people who disagree with how the Israeli government has handled the occupation of the last 40 years who are not anti-Semitic. Israel tends to point to the former and say, "See? They hate us. We have to do this." This approach produces a never-ending cycle of hatred and violence. 

What I am saying is Israel is strong and secure enough now to rise above that approach. Yes, there will still be terrorism; there will still be violence. But Israel is strong enough now to take the high road and set an example for the rest of the Middle East.

Israel for years has been pointing to other countries and saying, "But they're worse!" That's not a good enough reason to do what they have been doing to the populations in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. I do understand that it suits the "thugocracies" (as you put it so well) perfectly fine to have a permanently homeless Arab Palestinian (both Christian and Muslim) population residing in poverty in refugee camps. None of those countries are in any rush to rectify that situation; they would rather just blame Israel for it. But Israel has no control over the actions of these countries. And to let these countries control how Israel acts (which is what Israel is letting them do, by responding on a hair trigger to every provocation) is not the wise choice, policy-wise. Israel is no longer the young, threatened upstart it was. It needs to take its rightful place among the advanced, civilized nations of this world and find reasonable solutions to the problems of the West Bank and Gaza.

Yes, it is unfair that the other countries do nothing. But why should they? They benefit politically from the current situation every time Israel reacts. Israel should stop giving them that gift. Yes, they will find fault with Israel no matter what it does. But then, shouldn't Israel at least do the right thing?

I do realize that the pre-1948 situation is way more complicated than most people think. But I can't fit all that into a blog post. And it doesn't change how Israel should be acting now. Yes, wrongs were done, we receive blame we shouldn't have. But it is 2010. It is not 1948. Israel doesn't seem to realize that. 

My response:

[I tried many times to post my comment on your blog but you blocked my URL for some reason. tsk tsk. I know this because I tested posting on my own blog and it had no problems posting.]

You should have commented back on your blog not mine: So I'll do it for you and respond where it belongs:
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Actually you're wrong on so many accounts. First if you look at world events starting in the 30's and leading up to WWII it is EXACTLY the same as it was in 1939. So yes it's not QUITE 48 again YET!

Israel has ALWAYS extended their hand in peace. Israel ALWAYS makes concessions that no other country has/does or will. Israel is ALWAYS attacked not the other way around. Both in the media and literally.

The UN declared Israel a state and all it's MUSLIM neighbors attacked Israel immediately.

The "Palis" were offered this same slice of land since 1948 and they rejected it with the famous three NO's. Look it up. Facts and logic would do you some good.

Israel did not nor does not occupy anything. You spread propaganda with that word. Stop using it. In 1967 Israel was attacked. Before 1967 JORDAN occupied the West Bank but you my dear did not cry foul then. THAT is what makes you antisemetic, yes you the Jew are an antisemite along with your lovely friends you think you have.

The King of Jordan unlawfully took over by force the West Bank. Egypt took Gaza unlawfully.

Where was your outrage then?! Where was the outrage of your pathetic jew hating commenters.

Green girl needs to stick her head in a book before she joins her progressive moronic friends calling me and other Jew militant. It is with every progressive rally that I see horrible militant terrorists that march with her and her buddies. Her kill the Jews buddies. And yes I have the proof. I unlike you and she can back my words up. 

BTW obviously my name linked to my blog making me public so spare me the BS about how to link to me. You found me in three seconds. That statement alone shows me how weak you are in being factual.

Israel does NOT point to others saying they are worse. Show me in the press where Israel has done this. Cite a legitimate statement from ISRAEL where they've done so.

But the truth is that Israel is the ONLY country to EVER EVER EVER offer these Muslim/Arabs any land. 

NEVER EVER has any country offered them this before in history.

The UN offered in 1948 and they said no.
Jordan killed or deported them to the West Bank. Egypt condemned them to stay in GAZA.
Not one Arab nation took these people in.

Every country in the ME kicked out their Jews in 1948. Those that stayed were severely punished.  Israel took those Jews in. Israel also allowed the arabs living there to stay and have representation in the Knesset.

You ask why should the Arab countries do anything for these people and then you answer your own question. Correct, they benefit by setting up the Israelis- JEWS through the media when they provoke and attack and force these same people to live as you say.

Now as for refuge camps. That's another big lie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJvvkXYD12U&feature=player_embedded

This is from their own PR. Shall I post more photos of what it looks like where they live? They have huge universities that the Israelis paid for because THE HAMAS won't nor will the PA. They have sewers and roads and cities and large buildings.

You are just so mislead and wrong it's very sad. You buy into this garbage and eat it like it's filet mignon. 

You should read Walid Shoebat who was a Palestinian Terrorist. Or try Nonie Darwish who's father was a Palestinian Terrorist. Or Brigette Gabriel. Just a few to start. 

Don't leave me a comment on my blog referring to your post. It's weak and inappropriate. You started this conversation on your blog and that is where the debate should be. If you have something to say about my posts specifically you're more than welcome there.

Her response:
I was out of the house and did not block your URL!  I don't even know how to do that!  I do moderate comments, however; so sometimes there is a time delay between when you send and when the comment is posted. 

I did not reply to your comment in my comments because I wanted to let your comments and those of others stand without my shooting them down/getting into a shouting match.  If I have the time, I will address them in a future post - I think it is so important for Jewish-Americans to have discussions on this issue, rather than shouting each other down.

BTW obviously my name linked to my blog making me public so spare me the BS about how to link to me. You found me in three seconds. That statement alone shows me how weak you are in being factual.
Sweetheart, it wasn't BS.  I was simply saying that I could have replied directly to your comment by email (rather than cluttering up your comments section), if you enable access to your email.  That's all.  That's how you were able to reply to my comment.  I wasn't accusing you of hiding.  I was just asking you to make it even easier to carry on this conversation.

You seem to be assuming bad intentions on my part towards you.  There is no reason for you to think that.  I responded to your comment in good faith.

I think you have some interesting points to make in this missive, but the tone is a bit too vituperative for my comments section right now.   If you could take out the insults (especially the ones aimed at my other commenters), your arguments would be more effective and would help my readers understand the complexity involved with the Palestinian/Israeli situation. Please consider posting a less vituperative version to my comments section.  So many people have no idea of all the history behind these conflicts.

 I do not disagree with you that the other Arab nations are incredibly hypocritical.  They are.  But I don't think Turkey is one of them.   And Israel cannot let their behavior drive its actions and force it to make lousy policy decisions.  Neither can Israel let the events of 1948 drive its policy decisions.  I know it is said that those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.  But in the Israeli case, it looks as if those who do know history are doomed to repeat it, also.

 If Israel had managed the territories it took/won in 1967 differently, we wouldn't have this awful situation now.  It could have co-opted enough Palestinians that the extremists/terrorists would not have had anyone to win over.  It was a lost opportunity.

I know there are evil Palestinians.  I'm not an idiot.  I know there is intense anti-Semitism in the Mideast.  I've been there.  But I've also heard perfectly pleasant, decent Israelis say, "The only good Arab is a dead Arab."  I'm not buying that.  And you shouldn't either.

My response:
Spare me your ten dollar words like  "vituperative" especially when you show your true colors and only use them toward one side. When you let your readers make comments calling people like myself militant you show bias and I'll keep my comments as I see them. I was very clear with you and pointed out your wrongness and inconsistencies. Turkey is horrid. They committed genocide on the Armenians and a million other atrocities. To send a boat to break a legal blockage to save lives of JEWS filled with terrorists is the illegal act, is the morally horrid act and that you either refuse to see it or are just stupid is the sad part in this all. Don't write me back. Either address it where it belongs on your blog and don't tell me how to write or what to feel, as you so clearly wish to have that right or show your true colors and make it a one -sided debate just like you side with the monster Muslims on. Shame on you. You're just a Kapo.


Suburban Correspondent said...

Wow - it seems you assume I am just a liar. I explained to you in my email that I preferred to save some of our discussion for a future post. I also explained that I would be glad to publish your comments if you made them a tad less attack-like. I think you make some important points, but your delivery of them detracts from the strength of your argument. You seem very angry. You accuse me of "hiding" in your comments, when I already explained to you why I posted there. You are calling me names. That is not the style of dialogue that occurs at my blog.

Again, state your points without personal attacks (words like "militant" and "pacifist" I let pass, yes; they are descriptive without being too insulting) and I will be glad to publish them in my comments. Again, I have not blocked your URL - there is a time delay because I moderate comments (which I think you do, also). I am commenting here on your post because you have attacked me here.

I think we are arguing because we both love our people and we love Israel and we both want what we feel is best for them. As our president says, it is best to assume that people with differing opinions from ours are acting out of good will. It is only then that it is possible to find some common ground, some compromise. If all who disagree with you are de facto evil, then there is no point to the discussion.

Aleta said...

words like "militant" and "pacifist" I let pass, yes; they are descriptive without being too insulting)"

Ahhh, the "levels of insulting" and who is judging them? Tell all....

Actually, what I'd like to read... on THIS blog (I have no interest in going to the other person's blog, I've read enough here to curtail the interest).... but back to the point, what I'd like to read on THIS blog is history.

There are MANY Americans who ARE ignorant of Israel. Give an in-depth history lesson. Up to the task?